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When full, shut the skimmer down...

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It never fails, when you are traveling, sleeping, or generally busy -- that is when your protein skimmer seemingly decides to erupt like a volcano. The cup overflows with foam and watery solution, and depending on how the system is set up will get everything in the vicinity wet. The protein skimmer I have is big, and even centered in my sump the resulting spatter just gets everywhere: the refugium light fixture, the lip of my sump, the metalwork of the stand, nearby tubing, wiring and cables. It's a mess, and I've wiped it clean repeatedly. (I might as well point out that a skimmer left overflowing can result in excess freshwater being added to replace the lost saltwater and if left unchecked can hurt the livestock. Stopping the skimmer's production will lock the water volume in the sump and prevent more top off water being added.) During my last vacation, I left town with a nice clean skimmer but during that trip it 'went nuts' and my tank sitter had to mop up that mess. He left me a note, and a pile of soiled towels. Enough already, right? I don't like cleaning this up, so why should my tank sitter have to?

The simplest solution to keep the area clean is to shut off one of the two pumps that the protein skimmer uses. When only one runs, the water level drops in the body of the skimmer and all the foam simply collects there until the second pump is turned on again. I always turn off one pump when cleaning the collection cup, and it's the pump that isn't sucking in the biopellet reactor's output. The other pump does that, and is never turned off. By shutting down the one pump, the mess is contained inside the skimmer until the collection cup can be taken to the sink, drained, rinsed clean, and reinstalled. No mess, and no worries.

For the time being, I'm trying out a somewhat temporary solution because I'd like to observe how it operates. I have the Apex Breakout Box and an electric float switch. I spent a few hours yesterday evening wandering around Home Depot and Walmart looking at what I could use to cobble together a decent Do It Yourself setup. The float switch needs to be lowered inside the collection cup about another 1/2", but I couldn't find anything that could do this cleanly. Additionally, because the cup and lid have to be removed for cleaning at least weekly, I needed a way to disconnect the two low voltage leads (wiring) from the Breakout Box. I walked around electrical, lighting, irrigation, hardware, and even automotive looking for some type of plug/unplug connection. I considered a wallplate that accepted speaker wiring with push-button disconnects, I thought about Cat5 plugs & sockets, phone jacks and even RCA plugs. Nothing really was a good solution, and I ended up leaving Home Depot empty-handed.

Once home, I noticed that the holes in the lid of my skimmer were big enough for the float switch's threaded section to fit, and due to the fact this is really only a test period, there was no need to make a big modification I may not need later. The float switch is installed, and the nut secures it in place. The wires lead to the Breakout Box, which are held in place with two small screws that only a Jeweler's screwdriver can release.

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The Breakout Box was plugged into the module or brain of the Apex.

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Next, I went in search of the Official Apex User Guide, now available on Neptune System's website: http://www.neptunesystems.com/wp-con...anual-v1_0.pdf

Reading the areas that pertained to my project, I had to create a "Virtual" module, "virtual" switches, and program these as well as the outlet modules. This kind of stuff isn't fun for me, but doable. Google can help clarify areas, as do online friends who are only a phone call away.

Using the browser-friendly software to edit the code, here's what I typed in for the pump I want to shut off. The pump is plugged into the fourth outlet of the Energy Bar-8 (EB8).

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The Virtual outlet is coded this way:
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When the float switch hangs down, it is "closed" (the circuit is closed with low voltage running through it) and the skimmer's Eheim pump runs as normal. Once the skimmate rises in the cup, the float switch will lift about 1/4", "opening" that circuit. Once open, the controller will turn off the power to the fourth outlet on the energy bar, shutting off that specific pump.

Even better, it is nice to know this happened no matter where I am. The Apex will email me as well as send a text to my cellphone. Here are both, as viewed on my iPhone.

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By testing alone, when I manually lift up that float switch, the pump turns off and when I let it drop down into position, the pump resumes its flow. I'll let it run like this for the next few days and make sure it works correctly. There is a method called "defer" that can be programmed for the item to stay a specific way for a specified duration. Originally I thought I'd want the float switch to be in the up position for 10 seconds before the pump shuts off, but the code didn't seem to work as predicted. I can always add that in later, if needed.

Eventually, I'll likely build a waste collector to put nearby and install the float switch within that container instead of the protein skimmer. The collection cup would need a drain line installed to drain the liquid into a secondary vessel.

If you have a tidy disconnect plug & socket that you feel would be ideal, please let me know. If you have a link to some pictures, even better.

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  1. Midnight's Avatar
    Marc, Radio shack sells several different power disconnects like these that can be soldered and made permanent. Nice thing about these is these are made for two wires, I use them on cameras power a lot.



    They come apart and go together real easy.
  2. jlemoine2's Avatar
    Hi Marc,

    Nice work... you can simplify your outlet programming a bit, and I believe your email notification will not work as expected.

    On your skimmer, you only need the "Switch1" code that does the opposite of the default. In this case, your skimmer default is ON as directed by the fallback and set lines. So, the "Switch 1 CLOSED Then ON" line is not needed, as the unit will default to ON. I wonder if that extra switch line is confusing your DEFER command.

    SKIMMER OUTLET:
    Fallback ON
    Set ON
    If Switch1 OPEN Then OFF

    or if you want the Defer command for a 10 second delay before shutting down...

    SKIMMER OUTLET:
    Fallback ON
    Set ON
    If Switch1 OPEN Then OFF
    Defer 000:10 Then OFF

    I'm confused by your Skim_Float outlet code and Email notification. By the looks of your screenshots above, you will get an email when your float switch is closed, which is when the skimmer cup is NOT full (closed switch is in down position). I think you want the opposite. I would leave your email alarm the way it is... when the Skim_Float outlet is ON, then you want the alarm email. But your Float_Skim outlet shows that it will be ON when the switch is CLOSED (down position). Change the Skim_Float outlet to be ON when Switch 1 is OPEN:

    SKIM FLOAT OUTLET:

    Set OFF
    If Switch1 OPEN Then ON

    Just like the skimmer outlet, you don't need the "If Switch1 CLOSED Then OFF" line, as the outlet will default to OFF with the "Set OFF" line.

    If it were me, I'd want the defer line with the float outlet as well. That way, you'll get am email 10 seconds after the switch goes open, which would be about the same time the skimmer shuts down (if you choose to include the defer command on the skimmer).

    I hope this helps and did not confuse things.
  3. Midnight's Avatar
    Now I am confused
  4. jlemoine2's Avatar
    Ha! Let's see if Marc understands my gibberish before I try to write a clarification. But, I'm willing to bet he is getting email notifications that his Skim_Float Outlet is ON, even when his skimmer cup isn't full.
  5. melev's Avatar
    I appreciate the input. You are at least the sixth person to offer productive solutions. You are right that something wasn't quite right with the Alarm code, as I had a notification every hour all night at the 58th minute. I just changed that line of code from: If Outlet Skim_Float = OPEN Then ON

    To: If Switch1 OPEN Then ON

    Hopefully that will stop the false email/texts.

    I went ahead and edited the Skimmer code to remove that one line as I agree it does seem redundant. My goal was to make sure the pump was on at all times, except if the float switch has risen.

    Michael, thanks for the suggestion of the plug. I'll see what they have, and how I need to solder that together.
  6. Midnight's Avatar
    The big black part unscrews to reveal the two terminals or solder points. In your application I would probably use heat shrink with this or even in place of the black part depending on how close to the tank it would be. I would think you would want it close to the skimmer so that you wouldn't have to deal with the long cord hanging when cleaning cup.
  7. melev's Avatar
    I don't want a long cord, but the skimmer's Swabbie motor has a 6' cord already. Once it is installed on a waste collector, the cord can be shortened for ease of use.

    The collection cup is 3/4 full and I'm watching it today to see if it will shut off as expected.